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Best way to pay for PVP? Get the ISK to burn?!

So I'm enjoying PvP, but my current battlecruiser fits cost me around 68M ISK.

I bought and sold a time code for $30 USD -> 570M ISK. 19M ISK per $1 and 30 second time investment.

Ships and fits are going to start costing more as my skills improve, hopefully I start dying less though. So the 570M lasted me a little over a month, 8 deaths 20 kills.

So now I'm looking for ideas on best way to pay for this, not sure using real money is a good long term plan. What options do I have? What is the best Time and money to ISK ratio?

Alt mining character? 60 days to get decent mining skills, $15/mo, should generate 20M ISK/HR ... So get the same 570M ISK means 28 hours on top of the $15/mo. 38M ISK per $1 and a 28 hour time investment. I think my time is worth more than $0.54 an hour.

Am I missing something? What other options should I investigate?

EDIT: I PvP in 0.0 with my corp mates, I don't solo. Yes I fly T1 hulls, but my fits are T2 +mods. So the insurance only covers at best, 1/3 of my total investment.

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melissa blick [ Editor ]

  1. You should really set up a sell order for your plex. You should be selling the time code for 660-680mil (2x plex), given current prices, although plex was a bit cheaper in Jul when you posted the question. It will still take you 30sec, but you'll have to wait a few days for the isk to come in.

  2. Most players in 0.0 likely fund their ships with isk from running anomalies and exploration sites. Ask your corpmates to take you along as a fleet member the next time they do this. Soon you'll figure out how to do this solo. It's fun ratting with your corpmates and keeping an eye on local. Best part is you're ratting in your bc, almost ready to go if intel about a possible engagement comes in (just refit hardeners/ewar/faction ammo).

  3. Each fitted bc should cost roughly (25mil hull + 7mil insurance + 15 mil t2 mods - 22 mil insurance payout) = 25mil. Ask your corpmates to check your fits. Are you using the standard fits? Are you buying unnecessary best-named mods for your pvp ships?

  4. If you set up buy orders for your ships/mods, it should be much cheaper. 25mil/ship should fund 26 ships from one timecode sale (~650mil). Ask if your corp sells t1 bc hulls at jita prices or lower; many do.

  5. You mentioned that your alliance also covers ship losses similar to insurance (22mil). If you get both insurance and alliance reimbursement, your costs are down to 3mil/ship. If that is the case, you really have no reason to buy plex.

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falconx
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This is very helpful. I discovered that our alliance does manufacture and sell Drakes at Jita prices, so I’m training up Caldari to at least that level to get some cheap PVP ships.

My corp also provides a lot of common mods & ammo for the Drake too (many times they don’t even want money for them, they are just like, “just take ‘em let’s go!”) so I’ll start taking advantage of both here in a few days once Caldari Cruiser III is finished.

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sarah_41 [ Editor ]

There are gazillions of non-PvP ways to make ISK if you have the patience/tolerance. The most passive way of raising ISK is by doing Research missions. Train an alt to run missions for Research agents, build up standing with those agents, then start a research project with them. After you build up the standing (which is the most tedious part), the Research Points (RP) roll in over time with no further effort from you. You just need to visit the agent, collect the Datacores bought with your accumulated RP, and sell them. I got my alt's standing with Lai Dai Research agents up to low-quality level 3 missions before my mission-grinding patience ran out. I now make about 25 million a month by doing nothing. Not a lot of money, but better than a sharp stick in the eye. :)

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falconx
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This hadn’t even occurred to me, thank you I’ll definitely look into research. Any idea on investment of time to get to the point of achieving 25M ISK passive income?

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aragaer [ Editor ]

If you are flying t1 ships, large part of your losses will be covered with insurance. Thus you don't need THAT much isk, few hundred millions will suffice for quite a time.

I assume you're PvPing in low- or null-sec. You can also rat there to compensate your losses.

I'm not a PvPer myself, but lots of my ex-corpmates are and I do know how much isk they are used to have.

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falconx
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I PVP in 0.0 with my corp mates, I don’t solo. Yes I fly T1 hulls, but my fits are T2 +mods. So the insurance only covers at best, a 3rd of my total investment. I think Myrmidon insurance paid me 27M but my equipment: mods, drones, ammo, etc. cost me 35M whereas the Myrm itself cost 33M and the Platinum insurance was around 7M if I remember correctly, so I lose 48M ISK everytime I pop. At my current death rate of 8/mo, 570M ISK lasts me 1.5 months best-case.

aragaer
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Don’t you get a share of loot from your kills? I’ve heard that sometimes covers your losses as well.

aragaer
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Also a possible income source are 0.0 exploration sites and anomalies. I’ve heard of hundreds of millions of income per hour.

falconx
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Can you tell me more about exploring sites and anomalies? Do you mean ratting? or is there a different way to make money by scanning down anomalies?

aragaer
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AFAIK, when you’re ratting in belts you’re limited with rat respawn time. If you’re hunting in anomalies, which respawn immediately in an upgraded 0.0 system, you can earn more.

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aeniec

Theres so many things wrong with the above post its pathetic at best.

" rarely get on eve cuz I don't have a computer but I got a friend that does my skill training and I got a great job IRL so I can afford to buy plex."

-- Quit buying plex and buy a computer?

"if u want fast ISK u gotta pay ur bills and buy plex."

--no, no you don't. I pull in about a billion a month with casual farming (yay whs) . If you are buying plex constantly to support EVERY in game activity, you are doing it horribly wrong.

To the OP, CCP doesnt make money off plex when someone activates it for game time. You're payin someone elses subscription fee so in the end, they get paid the same amount regardless. (they do profit when the plex gets destroyed).

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falconx
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Good point regarding who benefits from purchasing & selling game time codes. It really is the pilot who has more time than money, not CCP.

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evilpixills [ Editor ]

If your corp doesn't offer a ship replacement program or anything, a good way on saving money on ships is setting some buy orders at a lower price than you would usually spend on a ship. This method requires a bit of patience but eventually people just like to hit the "sell" button without caring and you can get away with spending (22-25mil instead of 30mil for ex.) on a ship. It would also help to do this with the gear you use the most on your fits too.

Since you're in null, set yourself up a cov ops ship with a codebreaker, salvager, and analyzer and look for Magnetometric and Radar sites, they should net you some pretty valuable items, especially in 0.0.

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aquitine

I rarely get on eve cuz I don't have a computer but I got a friend that does my skill training and I got a great job IRL so I can afford to buy plex. I have a covetor and t2 drones, and almost 5mil sp. if u want fast ISK u gotta pay ur bills and buy plex. Hard work pays off in real life and eve and the more you put into something the more u get out of it.

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falconx
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I think you are right, my time is worth more than money at this point. It does make me wonder if a large percentage of pilots do this. Typically a game would be kind of broken to require such a time suck, but by allowing us to buy plex it’s a good workaround and very profitable for CCP.

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harlock [ Editor ]

What do you mean by PVP btw ? Pirating, killing pirates, killing whatever is not blue ?

You should loot and salvage whatever you kill, and share equally what you killed. I belong to an anti pirate coallition (not alliance :D) and we keep safe stuff we loot and sell it at discounted prices to the members (to help them refit easily). Also what can't be sold to members is sold to the market, and kept as "war treasure" to compensate for ship loss.

We have a bunch of rules regarding compensation, including : did you have a "perfect fit", did you take the ship the fleet commander asked you to ? Did you played in a kamikaze way ?

All those might mitigate how much cash back you will get.

Overall, every bit helps, that should help anyone with his losses ;)

PS : ratting in 0.0 should be profitable BTW

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falconx
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I go on roams and ops with the corp / alliance / or coalition. My corpmates do help out, I guess I feel bad about taking from them and I want to be a little more self-sufficient.

The formal alliance and coalition reimbursements don’t really cover T1, and what they do cover is similar to insurance, just covering the ship itself not the “Stuff” in it.

I fly what I can fit to best match the op and execute whatever orders the FC gives.

falconx
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I go on roams and ops with the corp / alliance / or coalition. My corpmates do help out, I guess I feel bad about taking from them and I want to be a little more self-sufficient. The formal alliance and coalition reimbursements don’t really cover T1, and what they do cover is similar to insurance, just covering the ship itself not the “Stuff” in it. I fly what I can fit to best match the op and execute whatever orders the FC gives.

falconx
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Ratting can be ok, a few million ISK here and there. So it is best in 0.0, to be in 0.0 needs to be in a real alliance, and ten the problem doing that is the alliance wants you to drop everything and defend territory or fleet up for an op if you are online.

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