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Can I save my ship/implants by logging out while being ganked or caught in a gatecamp?

I know, coward I am. But when you're flying a costly ship, it might make you sleep better knowing it is still in one piece.

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darinas [ Moderator ]

If you log out while you have an aggression timer, your ship will remain in place (if warp jammed) or remain somewhere nearby for 15 minutes where a scan prober can find you and destroy you. The 15 minutes is for the aggression timer to run out.

If you log out while being attacked and you don't have an agression timer, then you might be able to save everything, but it is a bit lame and you will just be hunted mercilessly if you try. The "logoffski" is a manoeuvre that actually brings all combat pilots together and causes them to hate those who practice it.

Apparently it is not an exploit, but how can you look at your shiny ship again without realising that you had to effectively cheat to escape it being destroyed?

If you feel insecure in your shiny ship, don't fly it in dangerous areas. If you need to fly in dangerous areas, fit multiple warp core stabilizers to escape warp jamming modules. But then, why are you flying alone in dangerous areas with a ship that is dear to you?

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canhasgank
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Pirating has nothing to do with it… Every player that enjoys a good fight and/or the odd gank will throw a fit from log off tactics. If you can’t handle to loose a ship, go play HKO. Seriously… :P

matt_12
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There is the other end of the coin though I’ve been wining a PVP fight and had the dreaded socket closed message and then logged back on to be back in a station clone activated :( Still an actual logofski is very annoying, but how different is it from a log on trap? (Which I also consider to be bad form)

ankbar
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Also, I have heard of some cases where ships did not leave the grid even after the 15min timer. (One example I remember the person lost a capital.) I wouldn’t trust it, period.

canhasgank
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The fact that CCP claims they can’t differ between a Ctrl+Q and a legit DC doesn’t make it any less of an exploit. Regardless it is generally considered bad form most players will hate you for it.

gorgoton
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good answer DarinaS. I guess you’re right on every point. Hadn’t done it yet, but I was questionning myself on the mecanic of it. So the aggression timer is what counts.

b.b.
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Most of the players that will hate you for it are lowsec pirates. Its worth noting that the nature of the logoffski will likely change come Tyranis expansion and some changes they are making to logging out.

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matt_12 [ Editor ]

The otherside of logoffski

I got Logonski'd last week. Which I think is just as bad if not worse as a logoffski.

A friend was scouting me through a lowsec pocket, my frieghter and it's heavy escort 10+ BC's and several tackle was told it was clear (as in there was nobody in next local bar our scout, and no one was on the outgate with us) Support jumped in to hold the gate.... Nothing, however as myself and the back stop party jumped our scout reported local climing (on the order of 25+) and broadswords and other heavy dps ships landed from random directions on the in-gate.

Final count was -1 freighter, -5 BC's and a handful of frigs, not to mention the freighters contents which shall remain classified, hats off it was very well organised and clearly well practiced maneouver.

This is in my opinion outrageous behaviour, how dishonerable and down right boring sitting on the log in screen for what may be hours...I thought about petitioning CCP regarding the loss. However I doubt they will do anything, even though unlike the logoffski the logonski is in effect cheating local.

I suppose in effect every game has it's cheaters, and EVE is no different in this regard.

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mymindisglowing
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I guess one perception could be that the effectively conducted loggoffski is counterbalanced by the logonski, and, thus, no cause to cry foul over either, though it would suck to experience either from the the wrong end. In further thinking, wouldn’t you need a well-placed spy in order to effectively perform the logonski; otherwise, how do they know when to log on?

matt_12
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I talked about this in fleet, I believe they had a NPC corp neut in the Hi-sec system next door. Nout you can do about it, all you need is him cloaked up in a cheap frigate and prototype cloak on a safe spot over the entrance gate and wait. I suppose I could have logoffski’d to try to save the freighter, but didn’t feel I could stoop to that level, plus being brutally honest, I was so stunned at the local spike with no gate acts it was like being covert ops hot dropped with a fleet of HACs/HiCs and Battleships! By the time it registered I should log out it probably would have been too late.

harlock
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Isn’t logon trap a forbidden practice ?

matt_12
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quite possibly Harlock, to be fair I got my revenge over the weekend when I took a black ops fleet out and hot dropped the same group and killed at least 4 of them before they skidadled like little girls.

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deantwo [ Editor ]

if you log out while you are warp jammed, you'll stay in the grab of whoever have you warp jammed.

the time your ship stays on grid depends on what aggression timers you have on you. but as far as i know you'll at least be there a few minutes. but the chance of your enermy not being able to kill you in that time is very slim (cause all your modules deactived, there by also your tank).

but even if you aren't warp jammed when you log out. your ship still have to aglin to somewhere (random), and if your in a slow ship, the attackers may be able to warp jam your ship before it manage to warp off.

other then that... DarinaS's answer seem to be right.

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