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How can I get around my aversion to PVP?

I've played Eve for several years now, but with minimal amounts of PVP. I'm told I have a very strong skillbase for PVP, so I'm not lacking there. I just can't bring myself into a situation where I may lose my ship. I have been podded and lost ships before, but I can't intentionally put myself in a dangerous situation such as that. HALP

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cr8r

One way a lot of folks get over their hump is to take a class or two with Agony Unleashed. We teach the basics and follow it up w/ roams where you will have a good chance of getting over your fears by facing multiple engagements. and quite possibly losing a ship or two is some of the more intense fun in Eve.

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andrea griffin

Knowledge is Power. The first thing you need to do is learn about PvP. It can be very scary if you don't know what to expect. I recommend that you start with The Beginner's Guide to Piracy, written by Skira Ranos. You can find the thread in the first few pages of the Crime and Punishment forum. Give it a bump while you're there.

Read threads in the Ships and Fittings forum and the Warfare and Tactics forums. There's a wealth of information there. Although nothing can replace real experience, you can at least go into your next few fights with a better idea of what to expect.

Once you have some theory under your belt, you'll be prepared for the next step: Practice and Training. You may want to look into the PvP classes provided by Agony Unleashed. They are not expensive and are of very high quality. They will take you through all of the basics of combat, and at the end of the class, everyone goes out for a roam looking for targets.

If you are still squeamish about fighting, consider joining the Red vs. Blue group. This is two corporations that are permanently at war, but the combat between them is well regulated and limited to a small set of systems. You can come and go as you please, and from what I understand, they try to arrange fights that are fair and fun. It may be a good way to get some combat experience and get a lot of answers for your questions. Since you can leave at any time, it's a good way to control costs.

Ultimately, PvP costs money. Ships, well fit, are expensive - but you can get a perfectly acceptable frigate for well under 2 million isk and for less than 1 million isk you can still have a viable PvP boat. I have taken out a full T2 fit Punisher with a rifter, using nothing but T1 equipment on a character with less than 900,000 skill points.

Who the heck cares about losing a ship worth 1 million isk, total? That's practically free! If money is your main concern, just fly on the cheap. Stick to T1 frigates and cruisers. These ships, while T1, are still very effective when flown correctly. The Rifter is the ultiamte example of this. The power of the Rifter is incredible - and you can get them for 220k a piece, or less.

Flying in a group can also reduce your risk, and I do recommend flying in small gangs as a way to get some easier kills, learn a LOT, make some friends, and have a ton of fun. You'll probably want to start going solo after a while - I encourage this. It's challenging and winning means so much more when the effort is all your own.

Just accept that you WILL lose ships when fighting. Also accept that Eve is just a game. It's imaginary. When your ship blows up, you're not losing anything real - it's just some rows in a database. Don't be so serious, bro! : > Go out there and have some fun and don't worry!

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breal d'nie [ Editor ]

I suggest fitting some "throw away" ships. you don't always have to have the most expensive ship to pvp, in fact i would discourage it.

You can fit a decent solo frigate (rifter usually) for under 2M isk and just go have fun. If you want to fly in gangs, that will greatly increase your chance of survival.

Just remember that you its not about never dieing, its about killing more isk than you lose.

Don't fly what you can't afford to lose. Once you get a few kills under your belt you will be hooked.

Cheers, have fun, and don't look back.

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darinas [ Moderator ]

Eve Online is just a game. You are not your ship, and you are not even your pod. If you lose your ship, you can replace it. If you lose your pod, it is replaced for you. If you lose every last ISK, your only ship and your pod, you are still given a free ship fitted with a tiny pop gun and a mining laser to go and rebuild your wallet so that you can replace your ship!

Stop thinking of loss in the game as final. Everything can be replaced, sometimes very easily. The only thing final in the whole game is if you press the button to destroy your character from your login page, and even then there is a cool down period!

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harlock
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I have a few months active caracter, and I skilled for stealth bombers. Lost 2 already (here is the noob :D) but managed to kill a few guys with my pals ;)

Agreed with the loss, even it’s a pretty much maxed out fit, my stealth bomber is still only worth 30-40 millions ISK

Nothing a old timer can’t afford to lose I think, if I can afford it, then he can too ;)

Losing ships is part of the game, if nobody didn’t lost anything, the economy would be dull :P

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ecaf ersa [ Editor ]

Ditto to Breal's answer.

You can have good fun in a cheap fit ship and with a good skill base may well win anyway.

Note that 2nd best named mods are only marginally "not as good" as best named or T2 and are a tiny fraction of the price.

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aoshikenshin

See I completely disagree with Breal myself. When you look at a killboard it's not about ships destroyed to ships lost. It's about isk destroyed to isk lost but a lot of people will look at the first one instead of the latter so it's best to have them both good. While fitting "throw away" ships will easily ruin the first one and if you do it very often it will ruin the latter too. So I recommend finding an average corp that goes around in a cruiser or bc roam of about 5-9. This way you have a very high chance of not losing your ship while still gaining pvp experience and eventually you can work your way up to FCing a few fights. FCing is GREAT pvp practice because it is extremely difficult to do.

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deliora may

A good ship to start out with is in my opinion a battlecruiser. They are dirt cheap these days, can be fitted fairly easy and are effective PvP ships if you find a good gang. I wouldn't advice fitting t1 frigs as throwaway ships because usually you don't stay alive long enough to see the fight which means less effective experience for you :)

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carl marsarlis

I was absolutely gutted the first time I lost a ship, and it got worse every time. Finally I got nailed in an Orca - and yes, I had already paid them a rather big ransom.

What you need to do is get over yourself. I don't mean that disrespectfully. It's just gotta be done. Bite the bullet, stop wasting time and take the good advice already given you.

For the PVP virgin, it's almost like a first bungee jump. Nothing of any worth will occur until you just jump for it.

PVP, just like bungee jumping is awesome ONCE you've done it. Until then......

Cheers Car Marsarlis Valerian Steel Inc

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aaron allmanson

Another good way to get into PVP is to join faction warfare. This gives you a big enemy list, a big ally list, and all of lowsec to roam in. I would also recommend going in BCs for your first few roams, because you'll have enough tank to survive a small engagement, but not be so slow that you'll get caught up if the fleet has to run.

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