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Is a POS necessary for Indy work?

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I am hoping to get myself into either manufacturing or invention.

I have been lead to believe that unless I have pretty much perfect blueprints and skills, I don't be getting very far with manufacturing.

I also know that highsec empire research slots and the like are jam packed

It seems that in order to take part in indy or invention, one needs a pos.

I'm a little worried about how long it will take me to get a POS up and running. I also don't like the idea of having to deal with things associated with a POS like fuel, wardecs, standings requirements etc etc etc.

How likely is it that I will succeed in manufacturing or invention without having a POS? By success I mean make a profit within a couple of months.

Some more questions:

  • I keep hearing that available slots are only to be found in lowsec. Is there any way to find out if slots are available in a system without actually flying out there?

  • If having a POS is necessary, is there any recommended route for getting one up and running asap? Isk isn't a problem.

Any other suggestions?

Thanks.

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nashwolfe
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I’m surprised that noone has mentioned 0.0 space for industry and research. The demand is always higher, and in NPC space there are usually research slots free – although I’m basing this on space held by PVP alliances. PVE held space will probably have more competition and longer queues than the ladies restroom.

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ecaf ersa [ Editor ]

You can succeed without a POS, especially once your BPOs are up to scratch with their research as NPC build costs won't come to much more than the fuel costs for a POS. However the POS will help huge amounts with research and also make it easier to make copies of your best BPOs to sell which will help with fuel costs.

Yes you can see if slots are available in an NPC station without having to fly there.

I am at work at the moment so can't source the screens directly so please bear with me.

Open up your Science and Industry window

Find the tab that lists available slots - I believe it is labeled Installations

Select Material Research (or whichever you require) in the dropdown labelled Activity

Select Region for range

Sort your list by when available

Click down the list of stations to see if there are available slots

For raising a POS, the critical factor is your corporation's standing to the faction that controls the region you want to raise the POS in. Your corp's standing needs to be ten times the security rating of the system you want to raise the POS in, eg. standing of 5 for a 0.5 security system, 8.0 for a 0.8 sec system, etc. If this isn't high enough then it can be a slog getting it up there.

Once you have the standings, raising the POS is fairly simple matter.

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nf_50
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Thanks for the tips. The part about the NPC build costs being less than fuel isn’t something I thought of. Re: POS, One of the things that I really have an issue with is getting corp standings up. It just takes forever. Might have to get there eventually I suppose.

ecaf ersa
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I did write an article all about faction standings and how to get them up but the website that hosted it appears to be shutting down and I can’t get to it anymore :–( I could e-mail you the original Word document if you wanted. E-mail me at ecaf_ersa@hotmail.co.uk if you do.

mymindisglowing
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Is there not a question here to which you could attach the article as an “answer”? Even if there was such a question here, would your article exceed any word limit for answers? (I don’t know of any for this site, but then, my answers have never been that long.)

ecaf ersa
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I am in the process of serting up a blog to host them all again. I have limited internet access at the moment but should be shorted some time soon.

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matt_12 [ Editor ]

Depends how much ISK you have.

if it is just you or you and a friend a small - medium tower in Low-sec is all you really need.

All this Hi-sec POS is very nice, but in all honesty, if you can find a quiet 0.3 system with a station there is very little to fear. If you have no war dec on you then anyone who attacks your POS will get a standings hit, if you pick a barren moon and be unassuming couple of research labs, try to make it look unimportant no one will attack it. Mines been in low sec for months and not been attacked once.

I used to take it down once a week and move it to another moon/ system. Being a small POS the whole set up is mins rather than hours and the fuel isn't too bad... Just don't put the BPO's in the POS (do your copy jobs etc via station remote) and all you have to lose is a couple of hundred million in ISK if someone does do the unthinkable and re-enforce it.

A couple of Hundred million may be a lot to you, so may not be an acceptable risk, but look at it like this, what do you get from being in Hi-sec over (high low-sec?)

You can't be attacked right... well if you are war-decced then they can still attack your POS in highsec anyhow.

Concord will protect you.... well concord will protect you, but if the war dec is on again, no they won't so sure it will reduce chances of chancers but not going to be protecting you. It won't stop a Hi-Sec Gank either, I remember some time ago a titan BPO going down in a Research POS in hi-sec, because the idiot let slip A) he had it, and B) he forgot to put strontium in teh POS.

There are no Capitals in Hi-sec. This one is true and it's also true that to take down a POS in hi-sec requires a lot of co-ordination and losses.

This in account even though I can anchor in a 0.4 or 0.5 myself I still stick with my 0.3 system, if I want to build a ship I go anchor my ship yard build it and then unanchor it, my POS is just for me and a friend and so we maintain it as such.

Good luck no matter which route you decide.

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binaryidiot
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It almost sounds, by your description, that a quiet 0.5 system is best rather than low-sec :)

matt_12
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If you have the standings and the additional LP for Charters then absolutley Hi-Sec is best. Not if you want to refine Ice etc though, still need a 0.3 system for that.

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aragaer [ Editor ]

For invention you'll need lots of copies. You can get those either from waiting a long queue on empire labs, or by asking friends to make those copies for you.

It works a lot better if you have friends having access to POS labs in their alliances/corporations.

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misterandy

A small fairly unrelated note: Someone said there are no capitals in HiSec, but this is not true at all. Capitals can't ENTER hisec, but that doesn't mean they aren't there. (Devs can move them there by accident, some were built there a long time ago, etc etc.)

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matt_12
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For the basis of the question is is totally fair MisterAndy, although it is true that there are capitals in Hi-Sec Famously a Revalation in Amarr, however… CCP have made it abundently clear if any of these capitals ever engage in combat in Hi-Sec they in Point of view of defending your POS from a capital in Hi-sec it is utterly fair to say there is no Capitals in Hi-sec.

matt_12
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For the basis of the question is is totally fair MisterAndy, although it is true that there are capitals in Hi-Sec Famously a Revalation in Amarr, however… CCP have made it abundently clear if any of these capitals ever engage in combat in Hi-Sec they will be removed and the account holder may be punished! Therefore from the Point of view of defending your POS from a capital in Hi-sec it is utterly fair to say there is no Capitals in Hi-sec.

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