It's actually a clash of two problems: I don't want to lose the extra SP I am getting from my +5 implants (2376 sp/day for each +1 in implants) and I don't want to risk my +5 implants either. I'm ok to lose a cheap ship though.
Would it be a good solution to fly with an alt having minimal combat skills? Or should I get a second account instead?
Edit: About jump clones: A day in a clone having +3 implants = 4752 sp not gained.
rinuv
Use a Jump Clone without (or with cheap) implants.
Silas Sanyasi
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Imo you need to HTFU, accept the slight decrease in SP per hour, get in a cheaper clone (maybe an implantless one until you know what you're doing) and get your ass into a combat ship. PvP is where the game is at, literally.
Sure training skills will take a little longer, but the game will be more fun while you do it.
This! Definitely HTFU! Also, even if you go the +3 route for when you’re PvPing, you don’t have to put in a full set. My main has 3 PvP and 1 training clone. the PvP clones only have 2 implants each. When it’s time for pew-pew, I jump to the clone with the pair for what I’m training at the moment. Right now, my training is concentrated on gunnery, missiles and ships. So, I jump to the clone wearing the Willpower/Perception set. If I get podded in that clone, I only lose the 2 +3s he’s fitted with. Definitely a better alternative than losing a full rack of +5s.
binaryidiot
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Why would you use an ALT? Then you have to train the ALT up and to train faster you need implants...it's a vicious circle.
Just use a jump clone, lose half the training day and jump back when you can. That's what I do.
I could use an “untrained” alt – the one having minimal skills and not progressing at all. While the training goes on a different character on the same account. The idea is to get used to saving the pod when the ship is down.
Matt
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Yes, best bet is definately to Clone Jump when you feel the need for some Pew Pew... then jump back 24 hrs later no harm to the implants.
You can install some plus 3's if you can't bare to loose all your training bonuses, but they are still not too cheap.
If you haven't already get infomorph phsycology (however it's spelt) upto about 3 then you can have two or three copies of you in different stations dependant on the measure of risk you anticipate, you can have plus 3's in one and none at all in another if they have high risks... You can spread your clones out accross new eden or have them all in the same system (different stations though)
If your corp doesn't have the standings to allow you to purchase said clones (you only have to buy them once, unlike medical clones of course), there used to be a corp that you could join that basically was there just to provide jump clones, you joined up, bought your clones and then left again... Can't remember what it was called explicetly but it was something like "Estel Arador" don't know if it's still around.
I may myself eventually bite the bullet and train up to lvl 5 so I can get one more JC, they are invaluable for me to be able to jump to my missioning clone when 0.0 is too hot to get out or if I need to get out to raise funds.
Melissa Blick
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Train your one of your alts while your main goes on a pvp roam with a high chance of getting podded. And, of course, use a jump clone for your main as everyone else mentioned.
I usually train my industrial alt or my starbase defence alt. Then have the main jump back to the pricey implant clone to resume training.
Add to that: Since you are clearly concerned about maximizing SP/hr, try this: Keep your all +5 clone in hisec, use it when missioning/trading etc. For regular PVP, use a clone with two +3’s in whatever your attributes are remapped to (costs 20mil, throw in some cheap 1% hardwirings too). For special ops where you expect to get podded, use an implant-free clone.
Romain
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Loke the others : jumpclones are the way to go.
First you shouldn't focus that much on a one day training with 22 memory instead of 25... ok it's gonna slow down things, but that's really not that much at all.
Also keep in mind that even without PVP, you can get owned in empire for no reason at all... each time you undock, you can lose your implants => THAT'S HOW THE GAME IS.
If you don't want to lose a single second in training (which again I think is a bad idea, but that's your call), you can ditch the "ALT" way, because training him will hurt MUCH MUCH MORE your training speed on your main.
Or buy a second account, that's the only way. In that case, stealth bomber is pretty fast to skill, and fun to fly. 30-40 millions for a maxed out ship is no that bad too.
Darina Smirayne
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Its a choice - Get busy skilling, or get busy flying! (To paraphrase Redd in Shawshank Redemption.)
Spinning in stations is the dullest activity possible. If you are holding out for the promise of a future where you can use the skills you've been learning, then you are wasting your time.
PVE is a reasonable pass-time but it is the interaction with others because of the PVP that gives Eve its edge over other MMOs. There are plenty of PVE-centric MMOs where you can do the "mi skillz r leet"-thing and still have a great time, but I don't think Eve is one of them.
All the advice given in the other answers about jump clones is the best way to go for the best mix of skilling and flying.
