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Should HACS be nerfed?

Rumors tell that CCP wants to nerf HACs, especially for the way PL seemed to use them. Should HACs be nerfed for their 'ArmorHAC' capability?

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ecaf ersa
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Can’t see how to “vote to close” specifically so I voted up your comment.

canhasgank
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Subjective and argumentative. Vote for close.

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redmage [ Editor ]

No.

Nano got nerfed because it was to hard to counter. ARMOR HAC can be countered.

Sheild BC w/ logistics. I dont mean 50 bc and 2 logistics. I mean 5:1 ratio or better. Battle reports always show the side with the overwhelming amount of logistics wins.

another Armor Hac gang. Again, logistics.

carrier supported BS gang w/ logistics.

See a trend? Armor Hack gangs win because they bring a ton of logistics.

As noted they also have low sig radius' and good ehp. So, you bring Target Painters. 4 TP's are gonna pop that sig up fast. Target Painters have no stacking penalties.

Things get nerfed because there is no counter for them. Nano gangs couldn't take out Nano gangs. AB AR HAC gangs can take out the other, it's logistics, and secret tricks i'm somehow giving up to increase my score on this site. geesh. hehe.

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canhasgank
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There’s a little more to the Armor HAC concept’s success than only logistics. The AB Armor HACs small sig radius, high transversal, high EHP tank and good DPS all factor in.

redmage
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Well, lets soppose that most ppl who play eve are bad. The ‘better’ people would counter these easily with the right things. These right things are consitered ‘useless’ by the ‘bad’ people. Like Target painters. You would be very surprised how fast HAC gangs can scurry away when you start fixing their sig radius for them. So i’m adding that to the list.

annie anomie
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Quite counterable tbh. TPs, webs, ships that can hit logis.

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ecaf ersa [ Editor ]

Despite Duatha's point, with which I agree, look at the price difference between a Thorax and a Deimos. The exponential price increase for what is comparatively a "small" increase in power means that a player need only lose one before he kills 20 Thorax's to be in an ISK loss situation.

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duatha hannan [ Editor ]

Sorry but you are asking for a discussion. Please read FAQ number 2 "what should I not ask." ;-)

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canhasgank
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Indeed… I didn’t think about the 50 rep requirement for comments :P

canhasgank
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And this should have been a comment not an answer to an argumentative question :P

duatha hannan
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You´re absolutely right. I just didn´t know how to write a comment to an original question. Theres no “add comment”-button (it´s my 1st day, is that depending on reputation?, can you help me with this?) ;–(

duatha hannan
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Now its there! my reputation went above 50. probably that was the reason. Thx

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masterdistucki

why, when you have good member in fleet, the best fleet fitting, a perfect Fc you can fly so many ships and gangs, the armor hac gangs, is not the best gang in eve for PVP, when you have a fleet with neuts, ECM, web, target painter and a good alpha DM, you can kill all cruiser gangs and they logistics ! ( and PL is not a normaly PVP ally !)

is say please dont nerv the armoc hacs.

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matt_12 [ Editor ]

Given that this is very opinionistic, I up front say this as my opinion with exception of the next two lines.

HAC's are very situational dependant.

They aren't a magic wand, there is no 'I win' button in EVE.

I remember a very memorable engagement where a 30 man hac gang got anhilated by our 20 man cov ops fleet, they must have suffered over 1/3 losses for our 1 Force Recon and 2 stealth bomber loss. and we only lost the force recon due to a red gang in the next system that came to their aid.

Point is, HAC fleets are only useful A) at range (unless they have gone brawl, if they have you will know because it's basically all about the Zealot). B) High Speed low radii, and C) with support.

Get in close and blow them to bits.

It is the caught off guard fleet that always looses to HAC's if you get caught out, your not scouting or defending effectively, that's more fool to the ones that got jumped than unbalance. What happened to effective scouting, and situational awareness.

It's true a smart HAC gang is a tough opponent, but so is a well led black ops roam, or staggered battleblob or the ECM bracket.

If they were to Nerf the HAC at all, my only gripe is that the Amarr Zealot can fight effectively at close range and that means it can Rat really well too, if they aren't going to level that playing field amungst the races I can understand them doing something about that, but apart from that small race imbalance I think they are well tuned.

God knows about the Caldari HaC, does one exist? I may have seen a cerberus once, maybe buff that one a bit in the Zealots place. :-)

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