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Warping gate to gate in lowsec with a shuttle/pod/frigate: What can kill you?

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Assuming I warp to zero on every gate, there should be no problem warping in on a gate. Even if I get targeted and pointed, I can jump through even if I get warp scrambled.

On jumping into a gatecamp, I have the 30s gate cloak. Will I be able to align and warp to the next gate before anyone puts a point on me?

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matt_12 [ Editor ]

To answer your question, Only interceptors, Heavy Interdictors and Smart bombing Battleships can get you.

In a pod none only the battleship is going to get you, in a shuttle maybe the interceptor will get you, and a frigate will be caught by all 3.

EDIT: It is also possible battlecruisers (usually a Hurricane) to tackle your frigate, it is not often used as a consequence the hurricane is striped of almost all tank, and damage mods, it is there with the specific purpose of snatching frigates at gates, if they have a gang supporting them with remote sensor boosting they may also get a shuttle, but your pod will be safe (unless you get lag) pod's warp in under 2 seconds and they require at least this to lock it. Just make sure you click warp rather than align. :)

Your main enemy in Low sec is not these things though, it's Lag unfortunately.

I've only lost a handful of ships in low-sec in my time, and 3 out of the 6 have been to severe gate lag from a fleet exiting the gate and me being decloaked.

From the rest, 2 of them were from Fluke decloaks and only 1 was pilot error.

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evilpixills
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I thought I was invincible warping gate to gate till a BS got me one day with smart bombs as I was coming out of warp towards the gate. Was in a frig and it ended pretty quick. I was pretty impressed with the tactic and admire how creative people can be in EVE at times.

jenny darkness
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Nope, I have seen “Insta-Lock” Hurricanes – they fit sensor boosters a dime a dozen and maybe even have some pals with remote sensor boosters around and voila: Instalock-Podkiller-Cane ;)

matt_12
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Sorry Jenny, A cane cannot insta-lock a pod, not on it’s own, it can’t even insta-lock a frigate (although it can lock it faster than a frigate can warp!) to lock a pod in under 2 seconds requires a hurricane being projected with at least 3 RSB’s with a full compliment of amps and sebo’s or some warefare linking ships. It is possible and I have seen gangs in wars using this tatic to pod enemys coming away from battles. We have a word for these Cane’s but it’s not polite enough for the boards. For completeness I will add it to the Frigate catching bit.

ancalagon
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Do T3’s have any ability to enhance the lock speeds at gate camps? A friend told me about losing his frigate and pod at a camp and he thought that it was due to a T3 being there boosting the fleet. This was his guess at what happened anyway.

matt_12
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From Memory one of the information warfare links has the ability to increase scan resolution. Yes a T3 or a Command Ship (T2 Battlecruiser) would have the ability to increase lock speed. These are the ships I ellude to above. I don’t have EFT to hand to run the numbers, but if a battlecruiser is capable of locking a pod and pointing it, it would be a T3/Command ship boosting it.

nashwolfe
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T3s actually give better boosts than command ships (Bad choice by CCP, I’d say) although fitting for it does hurt their combat abilities.

nashwolfe
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No gang link gives a bonus to scan resolution – the information link you’re probably thinking of gives a bonus instead to sensor strength. However, Leadership (which every PVP pilot should have to 5) grants a bonus to lock time, so ganged pilots should always have a 10% bonus.

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tajiseed

There are no bubbles in lowsec, only targetted disruption. This means get your sig as low as possible and get your agility as high as possible, so you align before they lock.

A lot of it can be down to luck - you might jump into a camp, but be 30k away from the tacklers.

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rattus

1) Smart bombs 2) a HIC can inst lock you | warp scrambled 3) align and warp in a rigged T2 Blockade runner is still lockable [but only if you're quick]

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dainius

1) Smart bombs 2) a HIC can inst lock you | warp scrambled 3) align and warp in a rigged T2 Blockade runner is still lockable [but only if you're quick]

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dave_92

Even insta lock ceptors/hics will have to get lucky with lag to catch a pod, only real threat is Smartbombing ships and landing just off 2.5km from gate (have landed at 2.7km in pod before) so you have to slowboat to the gate to jump, it happens more often than you'd like.

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ecaf ersa [ Editor ]

You can be prevented from reaching a gate you are warping to by a carefully placed warp bubble, typically this means in line with another gate or station.

Unless there are bubbles, escaping a camp after jumping through a gate depends more on your ship's agility than anything else as it is the aligning and accelerating that counts more than outright speed. I have never been caught by a camp without bubbles when in a shuttle as these typically reach warp before the cloak falls completely.

Ultimately most gatecamps will have ships capable of locking and scramming you before you reach warp in all but the quickest of ships. You can help yourself by making your ship as agile as possible, inertia stabilisers and nano modules help with this. Warp stabilisers will mean they need more "points", ie. scrams/disruptors, to prevent you from warping but these will nerf a combat ship by reducing your targeting range and increasing your lock time. Armour plates and the like will slow you down and probably spell your doom. You should also have Spaceship Command at level 5 if not already as this grants a small but welcome increase in agility.

The ultimate defence against a gatecamp is a covert ops capable vessel but even this is not foolproof.

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bo red
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You can’t have bubbles in lowsec. It’s not a valid answer to this question.

matt_12
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Sorry he did put low-sec in the question!

ecaf ersa
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And that relates to my response how?

ecaf ersa
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I don’t feel my mention of bubbles deserves a minus mark – it is a valid comment in general! :–)

ecaf ersa
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You should mark yourself minus 1 for calling “Melissa” he! :–)

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