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What are the typical scams we should be aware of ?

Asked by [ Editor ]

I know that CCP made it a rule that scaming ofthers was part of the game, and some people make a great deal of efforts to always come with news ideas.

Can someone list typical "scams" you can think of ? So we can compile a list for everyone not to get fooled ?

Here is an example : People often advertise for " Navy Issue" and high discounted prices (or even sometimes at regular price). But you should read TWICE the contract, because they basicaly put inside a regular ship in there.

Selling Megathron Navy Issue, 250 millions. And inside the contract, it's a regular Megathron.

If you guys know other typical scams, please go ahead and share with me (and all of us).

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canhasgank
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You should put the example scam in a new answer post. It is perfectly acceptable (in fact it is encouraged) to answer your own question on STC.

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matt_12 [ Editor ]

Well there are scores of scams, main ones to be aware of:

1) Mis-quoting selling items on contract, like in the question, this usually happens with faction items, like ships or MWD's and BPC's listed as BPO's. Be cautious read through the description carefully for BP's right click and show info, if it has number of runs field its a BPC not an Original.

2.) the Isk game, one of the most obvious scam is this one. someone giving away free isk, or if you send them 100,000 they will send you 100,000,000. This is BS, and if it isn't a Hoaks it is likely someone who has hacked an account selling off the assets of someone else as payback or being mallicious, you don't get a free lunch (unless it's a corp mate or someone you know being generous and footing the tab).

3.) Courier contract scams. a) the collateral scam, someone puts up a contract with a high collateral, and when you accept it's a piece of pyrite. 3 guesses what happens next, they keep your money. b) sometimes connected to a, the end station is in 0.0, and when you arrive you can not dock, and so cannot forfil the contract, they keep your collateral, and in all likely hood blow up your ship. c) It's a huge cargo (700,000m3 +) you have to go through low sec to get to destination, pirates are waiting for your shiney freighter. d) Any combination of the above.

4.) Major Lowball - This isn't really a scam, more sellers or buyers error, totally legitimate, however I bet it leaves leave you feeling cheated. something worth 250,000,000 is on buy order for 250,000 or you are looking to buy something for 250,000 and pay 250,000,000 instead. Bottom line its easy to do and most common, and can easily be avoided (as all of these can) by common sense and taking the time to read the price/description carefully, also if you are the one putting up a contract you could be loosing a lot of money as someone gets a bargain, someone I know got a moros for 1.2M rather than 1.2Billion because the contractor couldn't type the right number of zero's.

These are the most prolific ones I have come across, if someone else has others be good to hear them, there are some I'm fairly sure are scams, but can't be 100% so won't post them up.

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harlock
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Thanks for reply, maked as “good reply”. Maybe we could edit and add up other ways people mentioned afterward (so it’s easier to read ?)^^

Adding a question : had a guy who mailed me in dodixie last night, about navy issue Battleship (like 100 millions cheaper than current market). 2 months old alt, didn’t want to make contract because it wasn’t working and had a petition about it… insisted on direct trade.

I actually been up to the trade, and item in window was a megathron navy issue (right clic > show info was ok)… but I got suspicious and cancelled trade.

What could have happened ?

matt_12
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Sure, do admin’s need to do this, or do you just want me to edit my post and add people’s scams (and credit for the postee’s) at the bottom of my own?

matt_12
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Could have been legitimate but any doubt chick out is best policy.

On a direct Trade, nothing is a problem as long as you do not click accept before he does. He was probably going to do the UO scam aragaer mentions below. You will see if he does have a yellow tick next to the direct trade if so you are safe as long as you don’t have major lag or he has lightning reactions to tick untrade, and change stuff, and tick trade again before you notice the swap and click untrade. If you are in doubt, as for a contract trade and tell him you will front the 10,000 contract fee.

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sarah_41 [ Editor ]

Then there's the Charon/Carbon scam. A Multiple Items contract is created to sell a Charon and a few cheap modules. What is actually in the list of items rather than 1 unit of Charon is 1 unit of Carbon. Given that a sadly high percentage of players have sickeningly bad spelling skills (then/than, loose/lose, etc) I'm sure this one is probably fairly successful.

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harlock
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Sometimes also you read too fast, and many players aren’t english speaking coutry natives…

Remember that : Aoccdrnig to rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it deosn’t mttaer in waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoetnt tihng is taht the frist and lsat ltteer be at the rghit pclae. The rset can be a toatl mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit a porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe.

harlock
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To ass “up to date stuff” : noxium against noctis seems like a popular scam lately ;)

BEWARE !

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trademark orange

How come nobody has mentioned can flipping?

Someone announces in local that they are selling/giving away any amount of ore (but usually a big one so you need an industrial or freighter). They then tell you to come to the asteroid belt to pick the ore up, but will "forget" to contract it to you. When you have gotten your industrial/freighter you will notice that their ship is not a mining ship, but a pvp one. When you pick up the ore, you will be marked for aggression, and the player owning the ore will destroy your ship and (sometimes) your pod.

The player scamming you will not really take your money, but take any modules and cargo that survived the explosion, and force you to buy a new ship and new fittings.

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aragaer [ Editor ]

There are some variations on scams with mis-quoting items on contract.

  1. Seller's bio shows several contracts for a certain item - for example several CNRs. Of those contracts few are real CNRs, while the rest are usual Ravens. The price is the same for all, but you can notice that contracts for real CNRs are closed the same moment as they were issued.

  2. A harder to notice way of replacing a cheaper item with more expensive one. For example selling CN kinetic shield hardener in a contract named CN invulnerability field.

  3. The extra/missing 0's in the contract price are easier to notice since there is a textual description of that price. However it's harder to notice missing 0's in quantities. So you'll see scammers selling "cheap" minerals or missiles.

  4. Yet another way of hiding cheap item among expensive ones - contracts of fitted ships or sets of modules. You might see 5 expensive "real" items, but the most expensive one replaced with cheaper one. An example here would be a "set" of faction implants with one implant replaced with a non-faction one.

  5. A way to make an item seem cheaper then it is in reality - let's assume a certain faction item costs N isk. An auction for that item is created with starting price significantly lower then N. But the very first bet is placed already and it is way higher then N. The possible buyer can see rather low "starting bid" and hurry up to place his own bid. At this moment scammer won - he is getting lots of isk, no matter who will actually win that auction.

There was also a variation of "send me X, get 2X" scam which is no longer possible since it required freeform contracts.

Ah, yet another scam that came from UO I think. This uses direct station trading. Scammer first shows you the rare item, then closes the trade window and asks you for some extra money or something. In any case when you open the trade screen again you're getting a cheaper version. Good thing here is if you're prepared, you can actually do the opposite way by placing a lot less isk on your second trade - since scammer tries to confirm the trade as fast as possible, he might not notice that you're cheating him now.

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aragaer
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What saddens me about scams is that while it is a perfectly possible way of earning isk, it could also be used as a way to transfer isk between RMTers. The “Oh, I’ve lost my isk to that dude” will hide any suspicious money transfer. Especially if it was petitioned.

harlock
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One friend had a strange one with direct trades : bought whatever caldari battleship from a guy, was supposed to be something like 100 millions.

Strangely enough (my friend was tired and not very sharp that night :D), the guy set up a different price for the item, something like 256 365 123, 12 ISK. That made my friends wallet drop to an EXACT 100 000 000 ISK.

I always wondered if there was some kinda cheat behind this. What are the odds of a trade scammer to scam you from such a precise total that would let you reach 100 millions in your wallet ?

sluggz
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If your friend gave out his full API key then the scammer would have access to his wallet ISK value.

harlock
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He did not have a full API key, that’s also what I thought. And even so, why would someone bother making this ? He could have ripped him of from 400 millions, why make it such a strange total to lower him to a 100 millions wallet ?

you want your victim to click “ok” asap, typing a long and complicated number doesn’t sound too logical…

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canhasgank [ Moderator ]

One common scam that seems to happen a lot in high population systems starts with the scammer spamming local with posts like: "Leaving game, giving away all my ISK, send me any ISK amount and I'll send you double the amount back." Gullible players send ISK to the scammer, which had no intention of ever quitting the game or sending any ISK back.

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canhasgank
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Matt covered this one in his answer posted at the same time as this. Slight variation in the description, so I’ll leave it in here.

matt_12
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Seen this one, I have also seen it used with a patsy who is in reality an alt saying how it’s legit and how much he got in local…

I’ve also seen them actually double the isk when someone sends them 100,000 ISK sort of testing the waters, they think it’s real so send 100M or something and surprisingly 200M doesn’t come back… Wonder why.

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abu saffi

I saw something in Jita once where a guy made a bunch of shuttles and insured them. Next, he put them outside a station one at at time and abandoned the ship. When someone saw a vacant shuttle, they boarded it. At that point he shot the shuttle, added a ship to his kill log and got the insurance for the destroyed shuttle. Haha.

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count scary
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I saw this in Dodixie about a month ago. There must have been at least 100 shuttles outside the station. Basic rule I live by in eve: If it does not compute, RUN RUN RUN!

harlock
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How moronic trying to rip off 4K isk shuttles… hope he podded them too :D

harlock
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BTW it’s pretty strange, cause I am fairly sure the game says that if you aren’t the one flying the ship, it will void the insurance…

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