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What is passive align?

I have heard people say to "passive align". But I have no idea what this means.

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canhasgank [ Moderator ]

Passive align means to double click in space near the align point and then stop your ship. Alternatively you can use the align button. This means your ship is not moving but pointed in the right direction. The theory is that as your ship doesn't have to change direction, only get up to speed you will warp quicker. This is a myth, however, and passive aligning your ship in this matter is utterly pointless these days.

The reason why this has no effect is that EVE considers your ship to be a vector. A zero vector has no direction. This means that when your ship is not moving it can be considered pointing everywhere at once (or nowhere). As soon as your ship starts moving the vector gets a direction. There is no delay on this and the time to get to warp speed (75% of max) is the same regardless of where your visible ship model was pointing at the time you started moving.

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melissa blick [ Editor ]

Pretty certain there is no such thing in eve. EVE considers your ship to be a blob as far as physics is concerned. In order to warp to a target, you need to reach 75% of your max speed in the direction (5 degrees tolerance) to the destination .

Pre-aligning to a warp destination, and then stopping your ship does not make you start warp any faster when you hit warp.

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canhasgank
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This is correct. EVE considers your ship a circle in terms of tracking/damage and a vector in terms of movement.

melissa blick
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This means that if you are moving in a direction opposite to your warp destination, it will take your ship longer to warp than if your was not moving.

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ecaf ersa [ Editor ]

I have never heard the word align together with passive before, but aligning is to point your ship at a certain object, eg. asteroid belt, planet, gate, so that you can get to warp quicker if you need to.

Maybe the passive part means to point the right way but stay stationary.

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zcar300
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I was hoping that’s what the passive means. But I have no idea how one would do that. lol

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virtucon [ Editor ]

passive align is pretty much aligning to the direction, then stopping. passive allign is a lie because in reality your ship still needs to get up to speed before it can warp :P

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falconx [ Editor ]

Align and stop. This is usually ordered when a full align cannot make sense (for example staying in a POS shield ) Yet confirms for the FC that the fleet knows which way they are going for the next order visually.

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canhasgank
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I would get worried if my FC ordered me to do so. Shows his lack of understanding for game mechanics. Stopping your ship would align you just as much as “passive align” does. Good thing is it doesn’t do anything bad either. It’s just completely pointless…

falconx
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You assume he wants the align for warp speed and in this case that is not the case. The FC can’t order full align because of POS shield range you fleet would become vulnerable. In this case the FC is using passive align as a mechanism of feedback from the fleet for an acknowledgment of the next warp-to location while you wait for a window of opportunity to leave the safe spot.

canhasgank
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Mkay… Guess that makes slightly more sense. No FC I know has ever done this tho and I wouldn’t bother myself, but to each his own I guess :)

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evilpixills [ Editor ]

To my knowledge "passive align" means to just be aligned to whatever celestial object is stated while your ship is not moving. This reduces the amount of time your ship needs to warp off in case you or the fleet needs to get out of dodge.

There is also "soft align" which is the same but you set your ship at a very low speed (10/ms for ex).

Another is "full align" where you have your ship aligned to your destination and your ship is at maximum speed so when you warp, you warp instantly. Very useful for getting out of harms way without getting caught. Hope this helps.

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harlock
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CanHasGank > that means your ship doesn’t take longer to “turn” when stopped than to build up speed up to 75% if already pointed in the correct direction ?

I was always told to “pre align” when mining… so that was pointless ?

canhasgank
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your description of passive align is incorrect. It means have the ship pointed in the right direction but not moving. And, yes, it is pointless.

evilpixills
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Thanks for clarifying, I guess I should have added the fact that the ship is not moving. I’ll fix that.

canhasgank
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Sorry for the very late response… Yes, that was in fact pointless. As mentioned: As your ship starts moving to warp after being stationary, it is already perfectly aligned to your warp out point, even though it doesn’t look like it in your client. This is why really slow ships sometimes start (at least they used to) warping out sideways etc.

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kazz [ Editor ]

Align and then stop. Simples.

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kazz
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Sometimes a fleet may be asked to passive align in order to stay within jump range of a gate. Admit it doesnt happen often like that but I have heard the command used before.

melissa blick
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In such cases, the fleet should probably be ordered to orbit the gate at 1000 instead.

canhasgank
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Passive align to stay in range makes absolutely no sense… approach or orbit would…

kazz
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As I said it is rare to hear anyone ask for it – I have been in battleship gangs where the target fleet has been moving about – we’re trying to pin them down with scouts and the rest of the fleet is asked to passive align on a gate, ready to go but ready to jump back at the same time. Obviously orbiting works better for more situations (I fly a lot of small stuff so usually just orbit whatever the FC says) but passive align does have its place – I’ve seen many inexperienced gangs align in big ships, by time they know where they are going half the fleet has drifted 15k off the gate.

canhasgank
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I am sorry, but, “passive align” does not have it’s place. Ctr-space to stop your ship does the same thing. Passive align does not align you anywhere, that is the whole point. See my answer above.

canhasgank
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Luckily, as mentioned above, it doesn’t negatively affect your align time either. It just does absolutely nothing…

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