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What is the best PvP Battleship?

I know this is a subjective question but I'm at the point where I need to choose which race to head towards for a Battleship. I have fairly equal training in Amarr, Minmatar and Gallete ships so I'm within days of each other on T2 fits for all 3 races battleships. I would like to have something that is good for PvP but also will tank lvl 4 missions and do decent damage. I read that Gallente are bad for missions due to the limitations in their long range damage options ie. Railguns.

Any help will be appreciated

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matt_12 [ Editor ]

Definately Subjective.

End of the day it's horses for courses, what is your intended role in battleships.

There are sniping ships, brawlers, and ones in between that aren't as good at either.

In 0.0 at least every 3rd fleet battleship I come across is an Abaddon, these are excellent combat vessels up close and at range, consumes no ammo, and IMHO is the best all round battleship...Which pains me being a Matari player to say you understand. However it will loose to a Typhoon or Megathron up close or a Rohk or Apocalypse at distance so jack of all trades really.

That said, the Typhoon has exceptional damage and a vast drone bay, but is really only a brawler.

The Megathron is awesome but has a rediculously limited range, unless you are jumping a fleet and know you are going to be fighting on your terms at 0 I'd probably miss this one.

The Dominix has a great tank, does all its damage in it's drones, but is easily the most capable battleship at dealing with all types of foe smaller than itself, although other battleships present a problem, this is also the best PVE ship of the bunch in my opinion..... Warp in, take aggro with that amazing tank, deploy warrior II's kill the frigates, deploy sniping sentry drones, watch the rest of the room die!

The Rohk, is by far and away the best sniping battleship, skill intensive, but so so nasty I've died to these a couple of times myself.

That said, the Apocolypse is also a good sniper, while not quite as good as the Rohk, it doesn't need to reload and it doesn't use tones of ammo, I would take this on POS assaults over the Rohk, but against ships its Rohk all the way.

ECM you can't beat the Scorpion, it owns end of however it has no tank and once it's shields are down it will almost insta pop.

If you are going for a Carrier I would go with Gallente battleships, the Thannatos is by far the most servicable carrier, after that it would be the Archon. Armour tanking is the only answer for a ship like that, all the Carrier spiders I see are amour I have never seen a shield tanking Carrier spider.

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dave_92
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Hmm, only thing the Rohk really has going for it over the Apoc is extreme range which use is debatable. For the rest the Apoc takes the cake for sniping unless you want to snipe from 250km.

camon bear
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Matt, do you mean Typhon (Teir 1, Tech 1 Matari BS) or Panther (Teir 1, Tech 2 Matari Black Ops BS)

matt_12
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I did indeed mean the Typhoon Camon Bear, apologies, reason I put panther is because I just purchased one and got them confused… Good spot

matt_12
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Sorry I disagree, I’ve used the Apoc, and while it’s great for extended bombardment (ie POS bashing) in actual ship fight you end up in fall off far to soon with multifrequencies, most sniping matches take place around the 70-80km range where you are already well into the Apoc’s fall off while you are only just into the Rokh’s. Therefore you hit more often. Yes the Apoc has more DPS, but it has to sacrifice all it’s tank to get that extra 50 DPS, therefore it has under half the effective EHP of Rokh in this config, it also can’t fit a speed mod, the Rokh can fit either an ab or mwd.

matt_12
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Best thing about the apoc is the flexibility all amarr ships enjoy of being able to swap crystals quickly to get better range. Ahh small correction to the last comment I mistyped it should be 150 DPS more. still running the numbers and at 70 – 80 km range the Rokh should beat the Apoc over 90% of the time on a 1v1 with topped out pilots.

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darinas [ Moderator ]

You are right - it is subjective!

The Gallente ships are damage dealers with or without drones, the Amarr ships don't use ammo and the Minmatar ships have excellent alpha strikes.

A megathron is easily the most dangerous up-close battleship, the tempest is a good sniper, and the apocalypse is also a good sniper. But then I would not discount the Caldari Rohk and Scorpion: The rohk has the greatest range of all turret ships, and the scorpion is a great ewar platform (probably the only good ewar battleship!)

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mur grebadnub
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Yeah for sure, I love my Scorpion!

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mur grebadnub [ Editor ]

If its which direction for battleship, I would suggest picking a carrier you would like to fly. As the skill tree includes battleship V, you might as well train the right battleship skill to begin with. Considering Battleship V is about a 30day skill, not including the levels below V.

That being said, Minmatar are good for missions (not as good as Caldari, but you didn't mention Caldari above). The Minmatar battleships have different ranges of DPS depending on your fit and plenty of damage output. As far as PVP battleships go, it all depends on your fleet and what pvp your doing. If its sniper pvp, sitting 100+ km off the gate, Minmatar will do the trick. Here is a tempest fit, all tech II but a starting point - http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/13686-Tempest-200-km-Gate-Camp-Gang-Sniper.html

You will definitely need to alter the fit to run missions however.

Hope this helps a little.

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sdfhbl

The Phoon is Minmatar on easy mode. Pick 4 close range weapons, gun or torps. Put 3 plates on it, resists, 2 nos 2 neuts 100mn MWD, tackle. Insure it & go have fun.

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dave_92
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It’s an extremely skill intensive ships to make it shine though, like the domi. Easy to step into but more skill intensive in many ways than tier 2/3 BS to make shine.

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draco

I don't know where you're fighting, but I don't see many Abaddons on the field these days.

As an aside, PvP battleships are extremely skill intensive and just because you can sit in one and run a lvl 4, doesn't mean you should field it in battle. Like the others said, figure out where you want to be in 6 months to a year and work around that.

If you wanted to only own 1 ship (for some odd reason, and which I would not recommend) I'd put my money on the Dominix. While it is rather slow in many regards (literal speed and time needed to deploy drones) it can fit a great tank. And you can use the high slots for many purposes, including turrets, energy neutralizers or (my favorite) remote repair modules.

Being a mainly Minmatar pilot, I would also recommend the Typhoon or the Maelstrom. The Phoon has a large number of, low slots which can be used to fit a very respectable tank (possible to dual rep armor) or give an extreme boost to dps. It is also one of, if not the only (can't remember off the top of my head) tier 1 BS that can have 8 weapons in the highs (combo of turrets and launchers) in addition to one of the largest non-Gallente drone bay. The main downside to the Typhoon is that its split weapons systems require a lot of skills to really use properly.

The Maelstrom can be tanked out to run missions and/or many complexes and is also one of the best snipers but requires a glass cannon fit to truly shine.

In the end, there are always going to be more answers to this question than players to provide them. Figure out where you'd like to end up and go from there.

And lastly, don't forget about cruisers and BC's. They make up the vast majority of fleets large and small. Those should play a factor in your choice as well.

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dave_92
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The reason Baddon’s aren’t seen as much recently is because BS blobs are fairly dead atm, it’s mostly AHAC’s with guardians and LR Drake blobs with Lach’s + Scimi’s.

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