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Yaaaaarrrrrring without an alt - doable but how realistic?

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Income and ship replacement. Pirate corps providing a safe...ish haven for ratting/missioning? Same-region market play? It seems like you'd either have to import ships ("Hi, can you freighter this to low sec? No trap, really!") or make them yourself. The best answer I can think of is "make friends" but the red-and-flashy set seem a little cagey. I'm feeling the pull to blow people up and go red-and-flashy myself but I'm a planner at heart and want to have a clue how I'm going to keep myself in ships.

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arrhidaeus

It is very doable, even without a hauling alt, but you just need to be a little suicidal.

For starters, if you're a member of an influential pirate corp, you'll probably be able to rat/plex/mission in your corner of space in relative safety. Keep a good lookout for strangers in local and scan probes on your dscan and you'll be fine (or if you're insanely rich, fly an unprobeable strategic cruiser). You shouldn't need much more financial support than that unless you have a serious addiction to faction ships and complex mods.

As far as hauling goes, for most parts of space, yes a hauler alt is helpful. If you happen to live near Hek (like I do), which is a 0.5 trade hub with gates to low-sec, you can make a insta-warp from your undock, put some warp core stabs in your lows for good measure, and ninja-warp battleships out of the station literally all day in relative safety. This is how i do things, and I have no hauler alt, barring one that I've never trained that I occasionally use to haul small things in an Ibis with.

If you don't have ninja'ing as an option, an easier alternative to skilling up an alt on your same account with hauling skills, is to just train your alt to be able to fly a battleship of your choosing, and to have them fly it to your low-sec station. This only works well for T1 hulls though, but hopefully you'll have a corpmate that can spare some T2 frig/cruiser hulls in their hauler from time to time, and so long as you have a method of getting the BCs/BSs you want, you should be alright at the end of the day.

If you're feeling the pull to blow people up, just do it! Everything will work itself out eventually, I promise.

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xkaraxis [ Editor ]

You can make very good money ninja ratting in nullsec (on average slightly less than L4 income) without needing to enter hisec or need a secure area, stealth bombers are excellent for this (use torps, not bombs).

If you are planning to go it alone(ish) the biggest thing it to keep it cheap. You'd be suprised how few fights are actually decided by your rolled tungsten plates and triple trimarks. Make sure to look at the cost/benefit of your fits, it's better to win 10% fewer fights if your ships cost half as much. Flying really really cheap ships (like unnamed T1 cheap) is also a good way to develop your tactics and player skill, since that's essentially all you have.

Pick your fights carefully, if you don't have an empire money machine backing you up losses might hurt a bit. There is nothing wrong with running away, you're a pirate after all not a knight. Besides, if they can't hold you on the field they don't deserve the kill.

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cross

Assuming that you have income you will still need a High Sec capable hauler alt to get your kit in. Even if your in a Pirate corp I would suggest getting a nuetral hauler alt to help out. It can even be on the same account just take a breack on your main (I know I know...) and train him to run a hauler for you.

Making Isk off piracy is hard, but possible if you are good at PVP and choose your fights well. Keep in mind though, there is a reason why rifters are popular amoung pirates...there prety cheap to replace...

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greatgold

I would like to add a point to what all these esteemed killers have already pointed out. While having an alt for hauling is definitely useful, I've found alt-hauling to be a secondary function to alt-eyes. What I mean by this is, as a pirate you and your corp are always in need of eyes on ingress, egress and target gates/stations. Ultimately, having an alt that can be used as eyes is just as important in many cases as having an alt that can keep you supplied. After all, a well scouted gate camp or roam should never lose a ship.

I'm a proponent of alts for pirates, but then again, it's just a game play style choice. Between getting supplies in and out, to having eyes on target, if using your time efficiently is important to you than I say get an alt.

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greatgold

The other option is to select a pirate corp with a strong logistics backbone. They most definitely exist, but are also somewhat more selective in their application process. Of the several pirate corps I have been in, two provided either carrier or JF support to the low-sec staging base free of charge. Similarly, as you suggested, it is very helpful to find some true in-game friends that can help provide logistics support, although Eve is Eve and you could very well get screwed.

Mostly though, just join a corp that has their shit together enough to provide logistical support. Otherwise you'll be in for a hard time without an alt.

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flashfresh

Piracy without an alt is doable but when you hit a bad patch, then logistics can be tricky. From your question it sounds like your other two character slots are now full and you want your third character to be your 'pirate' avatar?

If so, Arrhidaeus's suggestion of a suitable location to low-sec is a good one though you should try and set all these instas up before you go into piracy.

Joining a corp is a logical move however.

If you feel the urge to violence some ships - succumb to it. You won't regret it (much)...

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miningzen

While doable, getting by off just ransoms and bounties is very difficult, nigh undoable if you don't have much luck with ships. Go with a mining alt/trade alt/hauler alt to support your pvp habit, or you're in for a world of hoping the next guy won't notice you couldn't afford a warp scrambler.

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gah'matar [ Moderator ]

If you mostly specialize in small ships, evading faction police isn't too hard so that's another option. Just don't ever go in a system where the local faction is CONCORD.

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tajiseed

Try the pirating with an alt first? Cheaper clones / cheaper ships, and you don't need to worry about melting you sec status.

It doesn't take that long to set up a pvp alt if its completely specialised.

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